Once again, all I can do is follow in Camille's capable shoes and say yes etc. to that whole thing. I also didn't like suBurbia because it was not a Linklater film -- it was an Eric Bogosian play and he just ... you know, he's one of those relic guys, the ones left over from the transition period between free love and disco, which left my group quite a job of cleaning up the joint. Ha ha, I bet you thought I was slamming both hippies and the bunch portrayed in Dazed & Confused, but what I really ... okay, maybe. The point is that the movie was, as Camille said (and as I called Ernest), self-important, "Dawson- y" in its overarticulation (or "-liteness"). Its art was entirely too self- evident (as opposed to Pynchon, whose postmodern tendencies are clever, chaotic, and well-rounded, deepening the meaning of all his works). Whoever said they had only not seen Before Sunrise: I think Camille told you to wait til it came on cable. Umm...don't wait. Go get it. It's really, really beautiful. The characters are gloriously tired of the world's typical badness, attractively worn down and apathetic, and not in the tired way you would expect. Sure it's another of those "walking-and-talking" non-epics where nothing really happens. But I would bet you anything you sit there rapt through the whole thing. And if you don't walk through life in love with the very French Julie Delpy, you are not really living :) Something I'd like to open up is: don't you wish Salinger would have tackled, in book-length form, romance? I mean the boy/girl kind, the Before Sunrise kind. I get the feeling from his work and what I know of the period that serious lit at the time didn't take L-O-V-E very seriously. Maybe he wasn't interested in it, maybe he was too embarassed to tackle the subject, maybe he went into reclusion before he could pump one out (I mean a big, Catcher-sized exploration of it, b/c obviously "Franny" the story is not about that)...I don't know. That's something I would like to see. (Especially when you see the tenderness he is capable of, from Esme through Seymour's remembrance of Charlotte's dress). Maybe Joyce Maynard was standing behind him and bitching and nagging him to death ... or not. rick