Subject: Re: Music, religion, etc.
From: jason varsoke (jjv@caesun.msd.ray.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 2000 - 22:39:56 EST
On Mon, 17 Jan 2000 AntiUtopia@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 1/17/00 8:57:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> jjv@caesun.msd.ray.com writes:
>
> << Come'on Jim, don't stand behind this historical fiction crap. Belief
> in God I won't argue with, but pointing to history in that text is a
> little much. Pointing out rules, now that's another matter. If you ask
> me that's what the book is for, a manual, not a history text. By God,
> there are no many anachronisisms and contradictory stories. At least
> stick to the rules.
>
> -jay >>
>
> Not sure how you're approaching the criticism here. If you believe to
> anthropomorphize God is inconsistent with theism (as your first statement
> seemed to imply), I point out the doctrine of the incarnation to counter that.
>
> Now, the historicity of the incarnation is another matter. You already
> decided its an impossibility...so what's the point? :) But if you won't
> argue with belief in God, why is the idea of an incarnation so impossible?
>
> Jim
Hmm, ok, didn't really know you were taking all of this seriously. Once
you claim to believe in magic you are beyond reproach. Nothing is
impossible, nothing is provable. There is no point.
As for the incarnation, that was Jesus. That was not God. (The fun
part is that you can say, That was God, and be correct without
contradicting me) Even your God is not man. He has not a personality.
He doesn't even have a name. But if you want to believe he is like man
and anthropamorphize him, go ahead. Matters little to me. I'm not trying
to convince you of anything. Like I said, don't argue with people who
believe in magic.
Now, if you wanted to make an internal claim about the bible, one that
can be verified withing the bible, that would be worth talking about
(kinda like verifying if the USS Enterprise Spaceship has 3 transport pads
by looking at the blueprints) I can enterain that. But if you want to
make external claims, I'll have no part of that.
If you want to talk about what we talk about when we talk about
religion that would be fun too. We could investigate the different types
of arguments waged by each side and what they're really trying to say.
-jay
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