Subject: Re: music as a process of religion
AntiUtopia@aol.com
Date: Tue Jan 11 2000 - 16:44:22 EST
In a message dated 1/11/00 2:22:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, shok@netcom.com
writes:
<< And because I believe morality and religion are entirely independent of
each other. I believe that religion is, as I stated earlier, a human
contrivance developed specifically to provide answers for such pervasive
questions as "Who Am I?" and "Why Am I?" in times when no answers could
be found by any other means. And because I believe that morality
essentialy stems from compassion and sympathy (ie, regard for the common
good) which are quite definately feelings natural to humans beings (and
to varying degrees, all social animals) as a result of their necessity
in our evolution.
All of these factors contribute to my belief that religion could be
taken out of the picture and no effect on general morality would result.
robbie >>
You just keep restating your position without answering my rebuttals :)
If compassion is so natural, why do we need to be taught it? Why is it that
the ONLY emphasis upon compassion in moral teachings is found in a religious
context? And in a very limited religious context, actually -- Judaism,
Christianity, and Buddhism. Those are the big three that Forefront
compassion.
See, the human race has gotten on quite a long time, and survived, in a very
non-compassionate way. Scientific materialism via Darwin teaches us that
survival of the fittest (and the death of the weak) is necessary for the
survival of our species, not compassion. Scientific materialism via Freud
teaches us that the only real guiding instincts in human beings are sex and
aggression. No compassion there.
So tell me, please, where in scientific materialism that you learned about
the importance of compassion? Truthfully, you have been instructed from
religions indirectly, and refuse to admit it. Truthfully, your litany of "I
believes" in your post makes your beliefs sound more like an unreasoning
(rather, pre-reasoning) religious credo rather than purely rational,
scientific materialism.
Time to face the facts about your beliefs, buddy :) You're religious. It's
an atheist religion, but it's still a religion. And you have a great deal of
faith (more than I, actually) in beliefs that fly in the face of facts as we
perceive them on a daily basis.
Jim
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