Subject: George Will Response
From: Rob Riss (sdrelist@hotmail.com)
Date: Fri Jul 06 2001 - 16:41:25 GMT
Hey Fish,
Here's a link to a "response" to George Will's take on Holden. I don't
really know what to call this, really, but thought you'd like a look at it:
http://www.gadfly.org/dalton/daltoncurrent.html
-rob
>From: "Sean Draine" <seandr@microsoft.com>
>Reply-To: bananafish@roughdraft.org
>To: <bananafish@roughdraft.org>
>Subject: RE: Huck & Holden
>Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 13:24:39 -0700
>
>
>Scottie,
>
>This response is far too thoughtful for a George Will article. Will's
>writing is as predictable, daring, and produced for the masses as a
>McDonald's cheeseburger. That old conservative rhetorical innovation of
>dismissing some one else's point of view as "whining" is at least 20
>years old now (probably older but that's as far back as my political
>memory goes) and just as meaningless as ever.
>
>Will may be the most boring, unimaginative political commentator ever to
>set pen to paper. And his dissertations on baseball come across as the
>pathetic attempts of a scrawny, four-eyed, obsessive-compulsive virgin
>trying to associate with the jocks.
>
>-Sean
>
>P.S. Go Mariners!
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Scottie Bowman [mailto:rbowman@indigo.ie]
>Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 9:47 AM
>To: bananafish@roughdraft.org
>Subject: Huck & Holden
>
>
>
> I'd be grateful if someone could suggest where to look
> for the Will article. In the past, I've felt an instinctive
> sympathy with his attitudes as expressed in such of his stuff
> as I've read. But this certainly does sound a duff shot,
> all right.
>
> Is it possible that Will's generation & the preceding ones
> (mine, for example) grew up that tiny bit closer to a rural
> world than, say, the post war ones where, increasingly,
> young people have had their being along the concrete canyons?
>
> Although I could identify effortlessly with Holden's
> world-weariness as reflected in the vocabulary of a New Yorker
> - in all senses of the phrase - (cynicism about Hollywood,
> the class distinctions to be found in luggage, cocktails for two,
> the phoneyness of the Lunts, etc.); yet I came to it carrying
> a very different set of associations & memories. From the age
> of, say, 10 to 15 my free time was spent almost wholly in
> wellington boots, roaming open country & the river & the beach
> with my chums & my dog - in a way that, in my imagination,
> wasn't altogether light years from the Mississippi. I look back
> on those days with the nostalgia of old age, a nostalgia which
> is founded, of course, absolutely solidly ìn reality. I can see
> the world my own grandchildren & their friends occupy &
> I feel they have lost a great treasure - in exchange for a few
> rather glib cybernetic diversions that seem to stale as quickly
> as they're replaced.
>
> I certainly wouldn't share Will's take on Holden as conveyed
> by John. But I can perhaps understand why he looks back
> on that raft going down the great stream & sees it carrying
> more magic (& within its own idiom, just as much comedic
> truth) than the desperate odyssey back to the apartment &
> old Phoebe.
>
> Scottie B.
>
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