Hi Susan, Responding to your comment on the movie: The Devil's Own, I can imagine it got bad reviews over in Ireland. I saw it in Holland, (I'm actually Scottish, but have lived here for most of my life), and although the film was okay, the fact that it was so pro IRA didn't sit well with me at all throughout the whole film. Just take a look at the casting: the cold-blooded Englishman that tracks Brad Pitt down in order to murder him, that fact was leaned on very heavily: the cold-bloodedness of the English, while all the killing IRA man Brad Pitt does is condoned because his father was killed by British soldiers when he was young. But condoning thinking like that would cause the whole world population to die within a month: if somebody harms you or your friends/family: kill them. I don't really want to go into the whole IRA issue, as complex as it is. But the fact remains that the film makers of The Devil's Own were very sympathetic towards the IRA, and they tried to manipulate the people watching the film with their views. For that reason, I couldn't enjoy it. As for women not being able to appreciate Holden's feelings in TCITR, I think enough has been said about it being total nonsense and the example about Anne Frank's diary said it all really. Just wanted to mention it, as it really annoyed me. thanks, Karen