>Has it ever occurred that perhaps we were being sarcastic as hell? Sarcasm being the lowest form of humor and as such can be exquisitely perfect if used with precision, but as a running joke is about as funny as a drunk friend who just won't go away. I guess posting a JDS obituary to the page could be considered sarcastic as hell, too. I guess it depends on where your heart is at the time. When Sunny did it you just knew it wasn't him, but you also wondered "well, how can i tell?" And when the diaspora led to Halloween night and we're all putting on our Alice Walker masks... I guess I wouldn't mind the joke so much if there were in fact more "pretentious" posts on this list to surround it as a context and take the wind out of the sails if we should ever get into the ether. I bet there ARE some faulkners and pynchons and salingers on this list, but new ones and I wish they'd just speak up more. Good luck you guys, too. Has anyone checked out The Writer's Message Board yet? http://users.ids.net/~rebecca/writing/wwwboard.html. I mean, on the Joyce list there's this one guy who has this conspiracy theory (and he won't quit with it) that stretches all the way back to Shakespeare (that's SHKSPR...and JOyce's ulYsES and FiNNigaNs WAke) and his true identity who is really Edward DeVere and all these great works of literature all contain elements of a conspiracy blah blah blah and his elaborate crosstics that go back hundreds of years has pretty much silenced all the very educated people on the list who have incredibly insightful things to offer, but are realizing that cranks with modems is the future of the Net. Ah, moderation! Even moderation in moderation. But anyway, get into any depth with JDS's stuff and you're immediately aware of how much a priori knowledge you need to fully savor his stuff. Maybe not to the extent of Joyce or Pynchon or whomever...but he sure as hell isn't about to scold the same people he ended up communicating with anyway. Ya know? I apologize to myron. Especially since "In Dreams" is one of my favorite Roy Orbison songs. I just think we should give the guy a little silence. To think that when I was a kid I never knew anyone else who had read Salinger (or so I assumed) and now to be on this list is kind of weird. I didn't pick up the Esquire when it was on the newsstands and I just picked it up in a library a couple of days ago...darted my eyes around trying to see if it was worth reading. Who knows...maybe one day in his obit we'll find out he learned how to use computers and in fact was on the list. >I walk in a canyon everyday, live next to a creek, and think nature is a lot >less fun than logging on or reading a book. And for someone like myself who has been trying to build a business on the net for the past two years and spends too much time tweaking my homepage and looks too wistfully at the sky behind the trees way far away out the window, I love computers. But I can see the tool overwhelming more parts of life than is reasonable to be able to continue having the skills to be able to live the life simply because the paradigm is of taking the telephone and plugging it into a television with a steering wheel. Totally cool. Don't get me wrong. And this is just the beginning. If we could all be alive in a hundred years imagine what we'd see. And talk to your ninety year old grandmother about what she's seen. And canyons encapsulate time. And you're looking at a hundred years ago when you look into a canyon. And longer. What I want to know is why The Laughing Man keeps haunting me. What a fascinating little story. I keep thinking about the girl, who is drawn in such small and devastating sketches. Reminds me of this play (which I still haven't found, if anyone can help) I heard about, these two Roman gentlemen are sitting, and the midnight moon is on the riverside, they're drinking up and talking, feeling very satisfied with their own particular stations and situations in the empire they help rule. And it isn't until the very end of the play that they discuss a crucifixion that occurred a few days ago, and you realize that if it weren't for this person who isn't even a character in the play, but is briefly mentioned as a detail to a normal days work way back then, but has had more effect on not only the world they inhabited (whose presence, or lack thereof morelike, would rally the empire into a "holiness" not soon after and would have a historic breadth that stretched for ages and epochs and eons and then some), but the world two thousand years since they both shuffled off this mortal coil, yet whom they probably never gave a passing thought to for all the rest of their days. Nor would have needed to. The girl in The Laughing Man. How do the girls on this list see her? Does anyone have any kind of a mental image? Malcs