Hey everybody After all this talk on Seymour and Muriel I was thinking about The Long Debut of Lois Taggert. I think that was Salingers first story published and it is also about a sort of violent waking. Lois' husband Bill burns her with a cigarette after she says rather babyish "Burny. Burny." when they are cuddling. This whole thing is really violent and sort of dark for Salinger. But what I was thinking was that maybe Seymour is doing what Bill did like times a million. Maybe just maybe he is trying to give a message of how phony she is and how she needs to wake up and how it all just killed him. Also I remember reading somewhere in Seymour an Intro that he married her as sort of a service. Salinger makes it almost seem as it is his duty to take her on and change her something like that. But also I rememebr a part where he says that telling someone they love you on the phone and have them not hear ( I am slaughtering this line) is the saddest thing. SO I think that Seymour really loves this girl like maybe he loves a religious challenge. Also maybe Muriel is sort of like Lois in that they are on the inside or the phony but easy part of life. They might represent selling out and being sort of apart of all the phoniness and maybe marrying her was his chance to sort of give it a try as similar to Salinger when he sent his babies to magazines that changed the titles and cut them up. Does this make any sense to anybody or am I reaching. suerte John Paul