one last thing about s's suicide. i don't think s was egotistical enough to truly believe that he learned everything he needed to from this life. and even if he had, i think he would've taken the bodhisattva route - someone who has reached enlightenment to the point where they can attain nirvana, but who stays behind in order to serve other people and help them on their paths. oh - and christy - i'm also more fond of the glass family stories than of catcher in the rye. let's see if we've just developed enemies... :) beth