Re: Revelations
Jim Rovira (jrovira@juno.com)
Sat, 10 Jul 1999 17:36:57 -0400
Thor...
Where could he "get" the "real dirt" on the apostles when the only
knowledge we have of them is through the Bible and writings of the early
church fathers? Since he can't work outside these sources, all he can do
is offer alternate readings of the texts we already have. I've read
enough Christian theology from enough different points of view to feel a
bit wary about the idea that this guy is going to give me anything I
haven't already heard before, but if you recommend it so strongly I'll
still read it.
What I represented in my prior post was some of the presuppositions you
seemed to be working with in your approach to the material.
Tell ya what, let's make this two way. You read _Miracles_ by C.S. Lewis
and I'll read that book :)
Jim
On Sat, 10 Jul 1999 11:00:19 -0700 (PDT) Thor Cameron
<my_colours@hotmail.com> writes:
>No, Jim, you're not familiar with this point of view. This is simply
>the
>most amazing take on Jesus, both historically and his current
>influence on
>the world that I've ever seen. To get into the real dirt of the
>apostles,
>the sequal, The Messianic Legacy, is necessary, & should be required
>reading. Really. Please read the book.
>It has all the textual eveidence you'll need as well as incredible
>cross-referencing. It is one of the most incredibll meticulously
>documented
>books I've ever read on the subject.
>Thor
>
>
>>Yeah, I'll read it, but I'm familiar with the point of view already.
>>Christ was a great moral teacher terribly misunderstood by his
>disciples.
>> They recorded his teachings, but mixed them in with supernatural
>>elements to lend them credibility to those stupid, gullible first
>century
>>people. The church, actually created by Peter and Paul (who had
>>radically different versions of Christianity), grew in directions
>that
>>the real Christ would have never conceived of.
>>
>>Textual evidence, please? :)
>>
>>Reading with antisupernatural premises requires that we seek
>explanations
>>for the existence of a text that has two seemingly irreconciliable
>>facets:
>>
>>1. Absolutely irreplaceable moral teaching.
>>
>>2. Absolutely unacceptable supernatural elements.
>>
>>So many of those confronted with the above dilemma attempt to solve
>it
>>using a scenario similar to the one described above.
>>
>>So form criticism seeks to cull out the "original source text
>materials"
>>from the Gospels and free them from the addenda that's surrounding
>it.
>>
>>Unfortunately, there's no physical textual evidence for such a
>scenario
>>and, even more unfortunately, these people never seem to bother
>>justifying their antisupernatural premises :)
>>
>>Course, they can't....
>>
>>Jim
>>
>><<Hey, Jim, buddy,
>>
>>There are so many holes here that I can't beginto plug. Besides
>which,
>>if I
>>continue this discussion any further, I'll have to break out a few of
>my
>>Bibles, and you KNOW how much I hate to read Christian Mythology.
>>However, I will save this post so that we can return here AFTER
>you've
>>read
>>HOLY BLOOD, HOLY GRAIL by Baigent, Lincoln, et al. That will answer
>(&
>>give scriptural evidence) virtually all of your points here. Every
>>believer
>>(& ex-believer) should read this book. The sequal ain't bad
>neither...
>>Respectfully yours,
>>Thor>>
>>
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