still here- thanks very much everyone for your book suggestions- the ones i heard of i know are quality, the ones i havent im sure are too. (by the way i have enough now so no more please!) but just quickly, we did a course on dante last year and studied some joyce. and yes dubliners is very good- but it has a hell (ha ha) of a lot in common structurally and thematically with dante's inferno, and since the translations are generally pretty straightforward and praiseworthy, you might appreciate dubliners in a different way by reading dante first. i somehow fooled many of you (or you were just being nice) by thinking i was well read. what a joke! i have neither read much not read many canonical works (not that the latter means anything in the real world anyway) but some good books i read recently and not so recently are: the shipping news, by e annie proulx; steinbeck's works (though i only read a couple as yet), the great gatsby, and a trilogy of books by mervyn peake respectively called titus groan, gormenghast, and titus alone. (the last is a bit crap). theyre all gothic/ realist and absolutely brilliant. right i really am going now see you later crocodile alex