Re: hemingway

James J Rovira (jrovira@juno.com)
Tue, 08 Jun 1999 20:18:08 -0400 (EDT) 

Jordie...

When I read e-mail, I don't always see the person writing it.  I read a
few along a certain thread and pick one to reply to, sometimes keeping
the previous responses in that thread in mind.

But I don't think I ever deliberately ignore anyone.  I say this because
I bet I'm not alone in this.

Anyways, sorry that you feel like warmed over feces, and I appreciate
your honesty and whatever else you have to say.  

So, what did you want to say?  :)

Jim

On Mon, 07 Jun 1999 17:17:18 -0700 (PDT) jordie chambers
<jordiekc@rocketmail.com> writes:
>O.K.  All of this is honest, no trickery.  I feel like
>shit.  Monday is hard enough.  I have been through
>listserv's before and, since my christmas gift of a
>computer, I've been wondering if my internet connection is
>worth it.  I am wondering what I must say before I am
>'redeemed' as a person who can communicate with anyone.  I
>have left a bunch of open ended messages and none so far
>have been anything but proud, scholarly or fearful. 
>Rarely beautiful but among those, I cherish, but I lack
>the arrogance to mention the names.
>
>I really don't want to go away, but in the dialogue I've
>seen, I am the unwanted stranger.  I am most hurt by the
>silent ones.  
>
>Among the 'bigshots', the adults who subscribe to the
>past, please let me know if I, as a 22 year old angry
>person who tried both fluexotine and paroxetine and who
>was diagnosed as a very fucking smart boy when he was a
>young boy (I shit you not, one thirty fucking eight, I
>hate 'smart' people with an ego driven joi de vie.  Just
>remember, egg-glib-buttslammin-fellows, if you have
>nothing to say except mean shit, I will have meaner shit
>to deal.  Arrogant, yes.  True, maybe) and who shivers in
>communicato with anyone aside from other human facial
>expressions and glibbins.  The truth is, I hate you all; I
>am trying to love you.  It fucking kills me though, when
>you ignore me.  I'll behave if you pay attention to me -
>ultimatum.
>  
>J Rovira <jrovira@juno.com> wrote:
>>
>> I have heard myself that King James, the sponsor of the
>King Jimmy
>> version of the Bible, was wantonly immoral in a large
>number of ways, and
>> homosexually promiscuous. . .
>> 
>> BUT, the King James translation is not the only one that
>condemns
>> physical expressions of homosexuality.  Every
>translation I've ever read
>> on this subject reads about the same way. 
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> On Sun, 06 Jun 1999 01:19:03 -0400 Aaron
><aaron.brager@writeme.com>
>> writes:
>> >Being phony to oneself is one of the worst things I can
>think of.
>> >
>> >Being forced to be phony to society isn't bad, as long
>as you aren't 
>> >using
>> >faulty logic to justify it.
>> >
>> >Speaking of gay people, is anyone here highly
>knowledgeable regarding 
>> >the
>> >bible?  A (gay) friend said that King James was gay;
>and that the KJ
>> >translation of the bible is the only one that says it
>is wrong.  Any 
>> >truth
>> >to this?
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: Camille Scaysbrook <verona_beach@geocities.com>
>> >To: <bananafish@lists.nyu.edu>
>> >Sent: Sunday, June 06, 1999 1:06 AM
>> >Subject: Re: hemingway
>> >
>> >
>> >> Aaron wrote:
>> >> > Does it count as phony if one is forced into being
>phony via peer
>> >> pressure
>> >> > and death threats?
>> >> >
>> >> > > Hey! I'm still getting over the news that he was
>gay! What a 
>> >painful
>> >> way
>> >> > to
>> >> > > live your life - as a phony all the way
>> >>
>> >> I meant being phony to yourself. To me there is no
>sadder fate than 
>> >to
>> >> ignore that wonderful, timeless axiom `to thine own
>self be true'. 
>> >It's
>> >> truly a quote to live by. If an individual is forced
>by society to 
>> >live in
>> >> a way that is against their innermost self, then all
>the sadder. It 
>> >just
>> >> seems a shame that Hemingway could not deal with it
>the way that 
>> >countless
>> >> other writers could - W.H. Auden, Isherwood, Capote,
>Vidal, so on 
>> >(and I
>> >> chose them because they lived in an era in which it
>was just as 
>> >unaccepted
>> >> as in Hemingway's time) . It just makes me a little
>sad that it 
>> >makes me
>> >> question the vicissicitude of Hemingway's work - all
>that macho 
>> >posturing,
>> >> all the gunning and gal-ing - it was all a
>> >> masquerade ...
>> >>
>> >> Camille
>> >> verona_beach@geocities.com
>> >> @ THE ARTS HOLE
>http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Theater/6442
>> >> @ THE INVERTED FOREST
>http://www.angelfire.com/pa/invertedforest
>> >>
>> >
>> 
>>
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