Re: no friends of Charlie's
Jim Rovira (jrovira@juno.com)
Fri, 25 Jun 1999 15:37:37 -0400
Thank you for the clarifications :)
part of what I've heard, as well, is that each time the British Isles
were invaded (the Romans, then the Angles/Saxons and Jutes, then the
Normans) the invaders tended to occupy the south center of the Island
while the people already living there were pushed northward and westward.
Jim Rovira
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On Fri, 25 Jun 1999 19:23:53 +0100 Scottie Bowman <rbowman@indigo.ie>
writes:
> '... I'm assuming here that we can all agree that
> Ireland is the westernmost of the larger British Isles....
> Which means, I believe, that they could choose
> (though most don't) to be called "north Britons"....'
>
> Well, actually no, Paul.
>
> Many would now call themselves the 'true' Irish,
> by which they mean they are descended from those
> people - largely Celtic & Norman in origin (&,
> of course, Roman Catholic in faith) who have always
> lived outside the Pale (that area around Dublin
> dominated over the centuries by the English
> 'Ascendency') & felt themselves oppressed by it.
>
> This Ascendency - mainly Protestant & looking ever
> towards England for their culture were called -
> proudly by themselves & derisively by the 'natives' -
> the WEST BRITONS.
>
> There is a rather similar duality of identity in Scotland.
> The Islanders & Highlanders (also Celtic in origin, as well
> as Catholic in allegiance) can be seen as the westerners.
> They live in caves, speak Gallic, are covered in red hair &
> when starving eat their young. They were the pitiful
> followers of the Young Pretender otherwise known as
> Bonny Prince Charlie. (NOT the Charlie of the heading.)
>
> The long central rift of the Caledonian canal splits this group
> off from the Lowland Scots (easterners) who are, in the main,
> Protestant by faith & very mixed in their racial background.
> They include quite a heavy admixture of settlers from the north
> of England. Their capital, spiritually as well as literally,
> is Edinburgh which was the breeding ground of most of
> the great Scots geniuses - Napier, Hume, Boswell, Scott,
> Stevenson, Raeburn et al. They are the Scots (I'm one of them)
> for whom Dr Johnson said that their fairest prospect was
> the highroad to London. And they, if anyone, are
> the NORTH BRITONS.
>
> Boring but, in oversimplified terms, true.
>
> I shall leave the much more complex situation in the North
> of Ireland to another day when you're all feeling fresher.
>
> Scottie B.
>
>
>
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