hehe... ok forgot about that.. (haven't taken latin in a few years..) In a message dated 6/26/99 1:58:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, aaron.brager@writeme.com writes: << right, but princeps is from primus & capere as well, and I quote: <<princeps (leader, initiator); from primus (first) and capere (to take)>> I'm quoting Merriam Webster Dictionary >>