I was tempted to say, when the original post started out, "tell me if I've gone too far," to say, "Stop" when he started quoting Latin roots. It's interesting and all, but I don't think it necessarily connects with Holden's use of the word. I think I trust more the association of Holden's use with New Yawk slang than anything. It seems to me that whenever he calls someone a "prince" (which carries with it associations with nobility, class, etc.), they're acting the exact opposite. Namely, rudely inconsiderate. I'll betcha if you go through Catcher you'd see that. Pretty much every time Holden calls someone a prince, they were being rude and inconsiderate. Jim Rovira Check out "Up Against the Wall" for links to numerous literature and writing resources on the internet. http://members.aol.com/antiutopia/main.htm On Sat, 26 Jun 1999 02:02:05 -0400 (EDT) JediMars@aol.com writes: >hehe... ok >forgot about that.. >(haven't taken latin in a few years..) > >In a message dated 6/26/99 1:58:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >aaron.brager@writeme.com writes: > ><< right, but princeps is from primus & capere as well, and I quote: > > <<princeps (leader, initiator); from primus (first) and capere (to >take)>> > > I'm quoting Merriam Webster Dictionary >> ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.