> As we get more and more into this we get farther and farther from the > nature of the Greek gods, don't we? They kinda move around and do what > they want regardless of our presence. Actually, the last statement is false. The Greek gods are not independent of mankind. They revolted against the Titans if you remember. And the difference between the Titans and the Gods is that the Gods are worshipped by the humans. The implication is that the worship somehow gave the gods the power to overthrow the Titans. In the discussion as a whole I think you two (Thor and Jim) should work on a few definitions first. For example what is the different between a God, Demi-God and an Angel. I've always gotten the impression from the Bible that Satan could always be trumped by God, if God really wanted to. I think for Jim this means that Satan is not a god. But Thor still looks at it as, well Satan can do everything God can do, except trump God. Sure sounds like a god to me too. One just out ranks the other. -j