I do need to add this--that I'm not engaging Scottie in a contest of which straight man has more experience or insight into gay-bi-lesbian issues, and I did use the word "civily" in hopes of a better response...I don't want to seem like a rhetorical weeny and back down from Scottie, but I think that our list is best served focusing on Salinger and so again,I apologize for reading scottie's post poorly and responding to it in a way that was upsetting...my guess is we share mutual hopes and don't need to count angels on a pin to see that, will