<<Aha ... yes, but how do you know that this is the `real' America? You're right that views both in and outside are totally valid - anything, when you think about it, is valid -- Camille >> I don't think "anything" is valid, but I do think a presentation of the "real" anything consists of multiple points of view. In our discussion, you have to be both inside and outside the goldfish bowl. The stuff about hearing your voice recorded is pretty good :) I'd hate to hear mine, I know what I sound like. But I think, in the end, a person's feelings on the matter are partly a matter of the objective tonal qualities of their voice and partly a matter of the size of their ego :) Not necessarily objectively true in this case as well :) Jim "The written word is a power of such magnitude that only pedants would try to reduce it to rules. Or the French." --F.K. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]