Just listening to the second half of Paul's radio show (and fascinating listening it is too) it occurs to me just how much of a double for Holden can be found in the character of James Castle. What made this occur to me initially is the fact that unlike Seymour (if you ignore the early short stories) he is not deceased. However, his `mirror', James Castle, the boy who was wearing Holden's shirt when he died - and most notably, died nobly for a cause - does. Antolini, and Antolini only, treats James with the same care and the same physicality that he does Holden, but the fact that James is dead precludes our thinking of him as a predator or pedophile. Though - Holden won't actually mention what prompted James to jump out that window, though he implies that it is abusive and possibly sexual, which would give him another point of reference him, as someone who has been interfered with and `can't stand it'. Was it James Castle that Antolini was thinking of when he gave Holden that talk at the end of the book? You could imagine that when Antolini saw the poor motionless person on the ground in Holden's shirt, his first thought could have been: it's Holden. He's jumped off that crazy cliff. After all, what Antolini is basically doing is convincing Holden not to take the same route as James Castle did. Something occurs to me - it's crazy and very obscure - but I remember that someone mentioned that `Holden' meant in Old English `dweller of the valley'. Which would put him as far away from someone in a Castle as he could be. Or on the other hand, the top of a tower is not unlike the top of a cliff ... a cliff also being a classic image of suicide. At the very least, James would have to have been one of the people Holden would have liked to stop falling off the cliff. P.S. Someone else says in the radio show - I think it was Will but I could be wrong - said that teaching was their personal version of living humbly for a cause. This seems very notable to me because the first thing I thought when Holden was telling the small boys about the Egyptians was - ah! It's so obvious. Holden is a teacher. That's his vocation. That's what he wants to live humbly for. Camille verona_beach@geocities.com @ THE ARTS HOLE http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Theater/6442 @ THE INVERTED FOREST http://www.angelfire.com/pa/invertedforest