I wrote: > > I don't know about your unconscious, but mine's > > structured like a > > language... Mark asked: > How do you know, Matt? You aren't aware of your > non-conscious processes - that's why they're called > unconscious. It's the basis of Lacan's neo-Freudianism, and I mentioned it because I though it might make Will (or William, as he is now) chuckle. But beyond this, isn't it a debatable matter whether the unconscious is strictly non-conscious? Both Freud and Lacan, as it happens, see the unconscious manifest itself in otherwise conscious activities. When it shows up, it *is* strcutured like a language. For Freud, the unconscious is always a literary genius (if a little autistic at times). It works strictly via literary tropes--displacement and condensation, for example, which are basically so many variations of metonymy, synecdoche and metaphor. Dreams are full of lanuage games and symbols, from associations along the axis of contiguity (I'm thinking of Jakobson's article on aphasias, which is fascniating in its own right but also relevant to the language/unconscious issue), as in Freud's dream where the name "Flora" ends up linking with actual flowers, to associations along the axis of selection, as in the same dream where a botanical monograph (some vaguely scholarly publication) ends up liking to an otherwise unrelated scholarly article the dreamer himself published. These are tricks immediately associated with language use. Lacan is even more interesting on the topic, but it's alway hard to imagine exactly what he's talking about. People exist and interact in a state Lacan calls the "symbolic"; we pass into it at the close of the mirror stage, during which (to put it simply and probably a little incorrectly) we fist distinguish between ourselves and the things that are not ourselves. Interesting--that very moment is a linguistic moment. It's predicated on difference. me and not-me, presence and absence, etc. Also interesint: we enter into identity at precisely the moment we first substitute symbols (images of the self in the mirror, for instance) for reality. Word for the thing it represents. The idea that the first thing we do is get a name has obvious linguistic implications in identity, but the more general idea is that the world we know and the self we know in it are only a matter of language. > > Still, that statement is interesting to me. Do you > mean you believe that your experience of reality is > pre-structured by linguistic thought processes? Without a doubt. The only way we can make sense of reality--the only way we can experience anything and then later call it reality--is through language. You may think you have experiences that precede language, but anything outside of language is inaccessible. We can only gesture to it, and even that's sort of a problem, since strictly speaking, anything not part of the realm of language is unimaginable. How can you imagine anything without using the linguistic signs that make possible the activity we call "imagining"? It should be noted that by "language" I mean anything predicated on the pricipal of difference. Not just English and German and Spanish & c., but ones and zeros, presence and absence, yes and no... It's an epistemological argument, basically. All experience is structured like a language because all experience is made of language. -- Matt Kozusko mkozusko@parallel.park.uga.edu