In a message dated 10/19/99 11:11:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mkozusko@parallel.park.uga.edu writes: << People in the wide world of psychology still study Freud. And those who claim they don't study Freud simply haven't yet realized (or been told) that they still study Freud. -- Matt Kozusko mkozusko@parallel.park.uga.edu >> Yes, as I said in a later post, I studied Freud too. And had it shoved down my throat in every class. But even at that point I was told that less than ten percent of American health care professionals would call themselves Psychoanalysts, and most of what we studied undermined the fundamental premises of Freudian psychoanalysis in some pretty important ways. His influence is undeniable and continuing, but he's waaaay in the background. I agree we're getting hung up on definitions, though, because I think you're defining "linguistics" in such a way as to include any system of signs, and are not limiting the word to purely verbal forms of thought or expression. I wasn't aware that the word had so expanded...I thought linguistics referred only to "words" or language, while semiotics referred to any system of signs. HOWEVER, I'm probably not as up on it as you are, either... Jim PS to Joey -- there's a difference between memory and the subconsious...