In a message dated 10/20/99 5:35:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sgabriel@willamette.edu writes: << In that lieu, afore-mentioned experimentation does reveal the unconscious in the trivial but valid manner of finding something interesting and then labeling it "unconscious." S. >> My point is (and has always been) that the word "reveals" is a misnomer given what's really happening...given what you've described in your post above. Again you've created a system into which you put the data, rather than demonstrate the validity of the system from the data. My complaint is that the system itself needs to be questioned, and isn't often enough. Jim