At 2:04 AM -0400 on 9/25/1999, Hotbuns200 wrote: > Robert Pirsig was turned down 121 times before Zen And The Art Of >Motorcycle > Maintenance was reluctantly picked up by a small editor. Yes, and John Kennedy Toole KILLED HIMSELF because of the depression he suffered after A CONFEDERACY OF DUNCES was rejected by nearly everyone. The only reason it saw the light of day is that his mother went to the office of Walker (Percy?), the editor-in-chief of a university press, and demanded that he read the MS. He groaned at the prospect, but he read it, published it, and had a best-seller on his hands (a rarity for a university press), and the book won the Pulitzer prize that year. Massive numbers of rejections are not unusual; they're a double-edge sword. It can be that the reader is an idiot who would not recognize a good story if it hit him/her with a mallet. Or it could be as Scottie has said, that it needs more work. Only you, and one or two objective readers, can say upon which side of the sword the manuscript falls. One story I enjoy is that a number of years ago, a screenwriter retyped the screenplay of "Casablanca" and submitted it, under a different title, to a number of places, where it was uniformly rejected as unshootable, trite, and so on. Perhaps with our knowledge of filmography today, the movie might seem trite, considering the influence "Casablanca" has had on U.S. movie-making; however, it is unthinkable that no reader RECOGNIZED the script. Even Melville was convinced, as he walked to his job at the lowest tip of Manhattan, that he was a failure as a writer, because nobody would buy his work. The tale comes up over and over; the exceptions are writers like Hemingway (urged upon Max Perkins by Scott Fitzgerald), though he, too, had his work returned, before publication of his first collection of stories by one publisher and his subsequent contract with Scribner's, which accepted THE SUN ALSO RISES. I guess my point is that the number of rejections is often an indication of the quality of the work, but not always an accurate barometer, and you don't know whose eyes and brain are reviewing the submission. --tim