Re: au revoir to Scottie

I don't blame Will for taking offense, and I agree with Kevin's POV here, the
only problem being that it generally takes some context to set up and pull off
without offense. I'm surprised Will took such immediate offense at Scottie
because they have a long history on this list (and I don't know that Scottie
knew Will was Jewish. Heck, I didn't), but there are a lot of people out there
that don't know either of you.

Some things just don't work in mixed and/or unknown company.

I appreciate Tim's response to this.

I'm not offended at Scottie. When I have been even in the recent past, I
recognized it was mostly my problem. I hope Will does too, eventually.

Jim

Kevin Carter wrote:

> Scottie, I certainly understood your joke. My rather black-humoured friends
> and I tend to use the same sort of insults to show affection. For a select
> few of us, using these derogatory, hate-filled terms takes the edge off of
> hearing them said -- sincerely, no less -- in the high school halls every
> day. Probably the prime example of this is the theatre group I'm a part of,
> many members of which refer to themselves as "theatre fags,"
> self-deprecatingly. I don't believe the guild that I'm in to be bigoted in
> any way. In fact, we performed the Tectonic Theatre Project's play, "The
> Laramie Project," not even two years ago. We're all far too aware of the
> serious issues surrounding such hate, and a criticism of us as hate-filled,
> I'm sure, would cause scoffs throughout the group. For our particular
> company, it's a common way to mock the hate of others to the point of
> absurdity.
>
> Please forgive me if I'm assuming too much here, being fairly new to the
> group, but I haven't seen any such recurring joke here. As far as my
> personal circumstances go, our jokes are only perpetrated around people
> that are in on it. While I must admit that I, myself, appreciated the
> humour in your post, others might not have been clear of your speech's
> intent. Perhaps, in the future, keeping these sort of jokes -- offensive to
> many -- to a private e-mail would be a diplomatic solution.
>
> All that circulated in my mind before I really understood the intent of your
> joke was "Down at the Dinghy." We have to make sure that our society
> doesn't continue resorting to the sort of behavior that Boo Boo's family
> faced.
>
> -K
>
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