Most of the people I have known who have turned to zen buddhism have done so out of desperation: they find our Western ways and means and culture enervated, worn out, bereft of energy, momentum and charm. Now I am not generalizing, I swear: I don't mean to suggest that everyone, or even the majority, of people who turn to zen do so in this way or for this reason. That would be ludicrous and inaccurate. I just mean the people I have come in contact with have that motivation for it. Kerouac's zen was a very tattered- jeans, highway zen (if G. Snyder's was more learned, Ginsberg's closer to Judaism, etc.), but you get the sense, reading from one end of his work to the other, that it was an experiment for him that failed (and it should really come as no surprise to see it with his massive, overbearing Catholic background: maybe another thread for another time, the turning toward buddhism as an alternative to the oppression of Catholicism). When it had run its course, and he was back in Lowell, Mass., he was still as lonely and dissatisfied as ever, if not more so. (Of course much of it was due to the ravages of alcoholism, too.) I only bring him up as a somewhat known commodity, an example, good or bad I don't know, of someone who turned to zen for answers and, I think, didn't find any. The point I am trying to make is not that there are no answers in zen: I'm just interested in exploring the motivation for Westerners to turn to the Eastern faiths, as it may help me make a (totally belabored) point about Salinger's characters. I wouldn't presume to know Salinger's personal situation, whether he turned to zen out of loneliness and desperation, or wanted to try on some religion for size, or just was taking buddhism out for an intellectual test run. But I think you see quite a bit of desperation, of floundering and grasping, in his characters. You can almost see them searching in their New York world for ... something, as, simultaneously, Salinger was applying zen principles to make a ... statement of some kind in his fiction. I guess what I am asking is, what is that something? What is that statement? It's a pretty vague question, God knows. I don't know if I am asking for the question at the heart of the Salinger canon as a whole or what. To me it is all about "banana fever," that hypersensitivity to stimuli beautiful and gross, and the inability to deal with the reaction to those stimuli. In other words, does Seymour cure banana fever by killing himself? Is that the only way? We are dealing with a very unique, particular kind of personal damage with this banana fever, the likes of which are, really, nowhere else in fiction that I've seen: and yet, we are all on this list, Salinger's post-Catcher work is still widely admired, still very personally affects us all. Why? What's the problem and the solution? I just don't think the answer to those things comes in the field of zen. It seems to me to be more deeply involved with the fields of psychology and human relations than it does religion. I've tried to speak clearly for a change. I hope that makes a little sense. rick