Yeah, but I think you miss the point to Scottie's post -- he in his genial endearing way is including his 'senile flatulence' under what he is characterising as 'rubbish'. Besides, y'know, as Tim would be constrained to point out at some point, all of us splendid souls haven't really been invited over for drinks. Digressions -- and all those Holden quotes to that effect -- are fine, but the list does have a charter, and Scottie's point -- nah, not the one about rubbish and so on -- is quite something to reflect on. I think what we have here are those who really see no need to comment further on JDS, and the Salinger Industry types, who may have something further to say (whether that would be anything new or interesting or revelatory is a different debate) are either vacationing or busy writing books. Personally, I am still on this list only to delight in such gems as yet another old sod, viz. Scottie, might come up with every now and then. He is quite tolerant of whatever the fuck people may want to discuss too, from all evidence, as long as capitals are employed and at least some, if not sufficient, consideration to grammar, spellings, punctuation etc. be given. Oh, certainly, there are other people too, whose posts are a pleasure to come across, but a whole lot of the enthusiastic bunch are missing -- I miss Matt, Brian Fenton, Helena, Luke, Malcolm, and many more who always had something interesting to say... I would like to reassure Scottie, however, that should a _new_ Salinger piece of writing were to suddenly be released, we'd find a lotta passion and enthusiasm yet again, even if it is to just regurgitate the bemoaning over how it all still doesn't add up to -----(name your existing favourite JDS work here)... But, otherwise, to witness enthusiasm for JDS, one does have to look to the posts of newbies who arrive free with their effusions about what they felt when they discovered this list, or indeed, JDS' writing itself... Sonny