On Mon, Jun 14, 1999 at 02:21:59PM -0400, Pierrot65@aol.com wrote: > "So we beat on, boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly > into the past." > > That, for my money, is certainly one of the most beautiful things ever set to > paper. Absolutely. Pierrot, this was a wonderful post, and it shows how we can read things so differently. I grant Scotty's point about hindsight (and Scotty, I loved your post as well), but in my frequent reading of "Gatsby," I know the hindsight is there ("my younger and more vulnerable days"), but I have always felt that Fitzgerald introduces us to a Nick who relays a story through the eyes of that younger and more vulnerable person. I don't get the feeling that the later Nick -- the one who knows all the facts at the end of the book -- is speaking to us in an "I knew it all along" tone. I concede your interpretation, though. I've always thought that "Gatsby" is told in a way that is analogous to those sunglasses that are dark at the top and light at the bottom, with a gradation between the two extremes. I have felt that Nick is telling us in the beginning a story as seen through the eyes of an innocent, and that as the story progresses, he becomes less so. And that is why I have considered him a less-than-reliable narrator; he holds his cards a bit too close to his chest. (And if I mix another metaphor in this paragraph, I shall fine myself 500 francs.) > By the end of the story, Nick believes in what Gatsby believed > -- but he is also made aware of the consequences of that philosophy, through > Gatsby's tragic "sacrifice," if we can call it that, and I certainly think we > can. Ah, but what DOES Gatsby believe? He's a shining archetype of the American who can remake himself in a form that pleases him. But I don't know about beliefs as much as I know about motivation (get all you can get; smile pretty and watch your back). Gatsby, in my reading of him, is hollow inside. When you peel back the layers, you see ... nothing. Which is, I think, a big difference between Gatsby and Nick. > I think maybe what is more > important is whether or not the narrator is being reliable to himself, and > that, of course, is where Holden comes in. Yes, precisely. That's one key to this discussion. > Let me also add that, after tons and gobs of Hemingway talk in these > hallowed halls, it is personally satisfying to me that the talk has, even if > just momentarily, turned to Fitzgerald. Agreed. It amazes me that he is so little appreciated, and that reading "Gatsby" is seen as a school chore rather than approached as the gem it is. The first time I read it, I read it straight through, and then stayed there on the bed, very quiet and very awed by what I had just read. --tim