Excising your letter of offending sports references (which mean absolutely nada to me; I don't even follow sports in my own country let alone yours) Jim wrote: > One thing we may want to consider is that > Salinger wasn't raised a Zen Buddhist, he started studying it as an adult Yes ... but in a way that probably exacerbated his interest more than if he had have been raised a Buddhist. Some of the best capturings of a foreign lifestyle or place (eg Kafka's `Amerika', Lasse Halstrom's `What's Eating Gilbert Grape') have been done by people for whom it's utterly foreign and exotic. The goldfish can't draw a picture of his own bowl. > Was Catcher written before or after Salinger's involvement with > Zen? Consensus says that Salinger first got interested in Zen and Ramakrishna straight after the war, or even during or before it, as a Ramakrishna centre was established near his neighbourhood. Either way - yes, his Zen interest was way pre-Catcher and I think very much reflected in the book - I think he found in the simplicity and apparent non-linear/non-logical quality of Zen the perfect solution to the structure of his book. As for Zen influences in other books - I don't believe it's necessarily the ones with the most thematic congruency to Zen which are structured in the most Zen like way - for example the subject of Teddy is obviously a rumination on Zen, but the structure doesn't seem to me very Zen at all. De-Daumier however seems emblematic of Salinger's entree into the intellectual and emotional processes of the discipline, the spareness of Zen meeting headlong with the jocular tone, literally `East Meets West' (love that story ... why doesn't anyone else? Beats the heck out of `Down at the Dingy') > The question to ask would be, "If I had no knowledge of > Zen principles, would I be able to deduce them from the text?" I think > the answer is a Big yes with Teddy -- it's almost didactic in nature, > virtually Zen propoganda -- and a no with Catcher. Well, you could also work the other way too. You could say `how much does this text make sense without the knowledge of Zen?'. Many things in Catcher made a lot more sense when I looked on it from the Zen angle - it enriched it for me but I guess it wasn't really essential, just handy. Whole chunks of Shakespeare are lost to us because we have lost the topical references in time but he still does OK out of it (: But think how much richer these plays would be if we *did* know them. Camille verona_beach@geocities.com @ THE ARTS HOLE http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Theater/6442 @ THE INVERTED FOREST http://www.angelfire.com/pa/invertedforest