Will -- For some reason, your post put me in mind of something sort of totally unrelated; and yet, I'm going to try to relate it, because that's the kind of guy I am. I sincerely hope that before I die English Departments (I am speaking very specifically about mine, because that's the only one I knew, though I suspect many are afflicted similarly, and I am speaking mainly of survey classes) take the initiative to stress great works which are somewhat newer than the old standbys (again, that total worthless useless phlegm-clogged hack Henry James is Public Enemy Number One). It seemed to me that the section men were relying on the history of scholarship available, as opposed to working through new schools of thought with the students. (I realize that this is a very general attack, and that there are classes available outside of the surveys to complete a well-rounded look at lit, but I feel like this needs to be said.) I would have liked to see the department lead a student phalanx through Thomas Pynchon (he said, like a broken record). But there is a rub here, because, with the extremely notable exception of "Entropy," how the hell are you going to look at Pynchon in a survey class? Well, you don't wait until the last week of April, with finals pending, having absolutely absorbed every single possible nuance of James (goddamn, I can't stand that guy), Twain, Hawthorne and the rest of them. You get to April 1 and you're only up to 1865. What about Updike's "A&P" and what it says about the more modern youth? What about ANY of the 9 Stories? Why is postmodernism left in the lurch of that slogging wade through mud? See, I know you get to some of these in high school, and the professors are sort of forced to assume you have some of that background already, because of time constraints. But I would have liked to look at those things at the college level in depth, or at least the depth available in surveys and given to the more traditional works. The other thing that post made me think of was Kerouac. For all their grousing, I don't think the section men are willing and/or able to separate "On the Road" from the movement it reflected/inspired. I sincerely hope that one day that "autobiographical novel" gets the respect the writing, rhythm and energy contained within it richly deserves. (This, of course, is an entirely different issue as OTR can't be taught in survey.) It sounds like total heresy, I realize that, but compare Hemingway with Kerouac and ... I don't know. It seems a clear-cut case to me, in the writing. (And, again, I know this is not a contest -- I'm just looking for equal time). Kerouac's themes and such may not stand up to the old man's, and that's obviously a big point, but the writing itself is just breathtakingly good and deserves some kind of respect within the "establishment," for the collective benefit of students. (And really, I guess, they don't need the encouragement as most everybody seems to get to it at one point or another. But I think a critical look at it would be beneficial.) I think sometimes the department isn't willing to separate Salinger's work from the legend/mystery of his self-imposed exile, either, and the disaffecteds' accretion of tattered copies of Catcher as badges. I realize that this is probably yet another personal problem that most of you have avoided by going to the right places. But hey, Will made me do it! :) As to this post's applicacy to this list ... um ... Salinger hated English Departments. So there! (Petulance is the greater part of squalor.) rick