camille, i can't help but point out that you are discussing only, like, the very crux of things. 'just thought i'd mention that before computers starting blowing up. john >===== Original Message From Camille Scaysbrook <bananafish@lists.nyu.edu> ===== >Jim wrote: >> The point is that we are talking about two different points of view, both >> with their own strengths and weaknesses. It's not surprising that >> Nabokov might present America in a way you can identify with, Camille, >> the view from outside the bowl. > >Aha ... yes, but how do you know that this is the `real' America? You're >right that views both in and outside are totally valid - anything, when you >think about it, is valid - but, well, let's use another comparison. No one >likes to hear their voice on tape. Nobody. And this is because you're >hearing the voice you present to the world, and it always sounds so prissy >and awful and nasal that you *can't* match it up with the voice you hear >when you yourself speak. This voice, the one that seems the `real' one to >you, is in actuality only the `real' one to you, the actual real one is the >one you can never hear. Likewise - it's nearly impossible for all but the >very greatest writers to step out of the goldfish that is their own self >and view things totally objectively. > >Camille >verona_beach@geocities.com >@ THE ARTS HOLE http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Theater/6442 >@ THE INVERTED FOREST http://www.angelfire.com/pa/invertedforest "Man the most complex, intricate and delicately constructed machine of all creation, is the one with which the osteopath must become familiar." A.T. Still "Everyone seems to know how useful it is to be useful. No one seems to know how useful it is to be useless." Chuang Tzu