I proffered the view suggested by William Rees-Mogg (the Times correspondent) more as a provocation than as a statement of my own position. For what it's worth, I'm strongly opposed to the present Balkans balls up - not on moral grounds (which have never greatly interested me) so much as on pragmatic ones. You certainly cannot win a war *without* air power (here speaks Sqn Ldr Bowman, former officer commanding NPC, RAF Halton) & you certainly cannot win one *with* it. Bombing the shit out of one of the more beautiful cities of Europe - & not risking your own brave boys on the ground - will only consolidate the local boss in the hearts of his people. This is something you can depend on. Churchill in the 1940s, Hitler in 1945, Ho Chi Minh in the 1960s, Saddam Hussein in the 1990s. It's one of the rules of war. Be consistent. Either go in with a couple of hundred thousand ground troops - as were present in Bosnia (where they have *still* only achieved a very dubious peace); or let the locals sort out their own differences - the only effective solution, since they are the people who will have to make the arrangement work in the end. (See Northern Ireland.) And stop gassing about 'genocide'. Thousands of people are killed every day in various parts of the world (on our own streets, for God's sake) & no one thinks twice. Are you really going to equate a few miserable-looking Kosovans on the backs of tractors with the millions shovelled through the gas chambers & gulags of the 30s, 40s & 50s ? Are they in the same category with the 100,000 my old comrades burned to death on one single night in Hamburg? Or the similar number torched by your chaps in Hiroshima? Or with Rolling Thunder? Or on the Basra Road? Come, come. Moral posturing is only ever acceptable when conducted in conditions of grave personal risk. Not on the White House Lawn or outside Number Ten. Or seated here in this cosy room in front of a VDU. Incidentally, Jim, I realise slavery was vaguely involved in the War Between The States. But I always thought I was being a really sophisticated student of American history in reminding all & sundry of Abe's: '...If I could save the Union & free some of the slaves, if I could save the Union & save all of the slaves, if I could save the Union & save NONE of the ...etc.' Scottie B. PS I might possibly have made some comment on John Touzios' posts but for the fact that my poor old brain refuses to disentangle communications in undifferentiated, all-lower-case typing.