In a message dated 10/11/99 2:35:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, citycabn@gateway.net writes: << Jim, I personally don't think JDS painted himself into a corner. Think the critics, etc. alight on S.'s suicide and tried to beat JDS over the head with it along the lines of how can S. be so great if he committed suicide. To my mind, JDS/Buddy tells us why S. committed suicide in SAI. The entire prelude is about this. And ends with the section re the cororner's report, whether it is consumption, loneliness or suicide: "isn't it plain how the true artist-seer actually dies? I say (and everything that follows in these pages all too possibly stands or falls on my being at least *nearly* right)--I say that the true artist-seer, the heavenly fool who can and does produce beauty, is mainly dazzled to death by his own scruples, the blinding shapes and colors of his own sacred human conscience." >> hmm...then I'm not sure I understood the following paragraphs: <<Certainly S. exists. He exists in the books, and in the minds and hearts of faithful Glass readers. I suggest not to overemphasize the suicide. JDS has to deal with the suicide *because* that is where he started in '48. Seymour, as Seymour presented in '55 to '65, did not yet exist. But since he has, so to speak, painted himself in a corner from the outset, given the fact of S.'s suicide, JDS does have to go back to it. The entire prelude to SAI is an attempt to "correct" the status of the suicide in his readers' minds. Someone commits suicide in the West and everyone is up in arms, feeling it negates the person's entire life. --Bruce>> See, here it seems like you're saying JDS has to go back to Seymour's suicide to defend Seymour against the "little mindedness" of western critics who think that Seymour isn't that great for committing suicide -- and in This way Salinger painted himself into a corner. So while you are saying essentially the same thing now that you did in the earlier post, you did say in the earlier post that Salinger painted himself into a corner with Seymour's suicide. But the problem I think with the ideas presented is that you marginalize the death, when I think it is indeed central to Salinger thematically. The following paragraphs are from that original post too: <<So Hapworth could be >justified perhaps as part of Buddy's attempt to unravel the origins of >whatever led Seymour to suicide. --Camille Seymour himself mentions in the letter that he won't live longer than a well-preserved telephone pole. It ain't a big deal. Hapworth, I'll say it again, is to show the reader that Seymour grew, developed, and became the Seymour of the poems, parables, and anecdotes. I imagine Christ Himself or Buddha weren't great shakes at seven, and their Hapworth letters would be flawed, too. -- Bruce>> I don't think anyone's saying the Hapworth letters are flawed. My problem is that they're not flawed enough. Too much light and brilliance for a seven year old. Too mature a prose style, too well read, too too much of everything **good**. Jim