erespess@inil.com wrote: > It seems that as > we grow, human experience shifts from simple experience to names for > experience. Of course infants experience emotion before the mirroring > stage. I think my thought lies somewhere in this realm - When naming > begins, do humans LOSE the abilty to experience without language? Naming may begin at some point after experience, but the advent of experience and *the possibility of naming* are exactly simultaneous. Can it be agreed: you can't, and never could, experience something that couldn't have a name. You can't be aware of something that you can't also refer to somehow--or that can't be referred to somehow, even if you aren't the one doing the referring. Even if the name is inadequate. You can't experience something that isn't differentiated from other experiences, or that isn't a mix of differentiated experiences. Basically, language works (Saussure) via differentiation. Nothing--no thing--has positive value in and of itself, without recourse to some other, different thing to give it that value. Not even happiness. Why? quite simple, actually: happiness has no value whatsoever *except as it is relevant to--and different from--sadness*...or any other thing that is not happiness. You can't have one without the other. Every time you experience an emotion, you simultaneously and necessarily experience the absence of another emotion. This is the same principal on which language works. "Phenomena predicated on instances of difference," I have been calling it. When Lacan says the unconscious is structured like a language, I insist he's talking about tropes...tricks of language. The unconscious is a rhetorical swashbuckler. But Lacan also has in mind this idea of differentiation. I do not believe that words are accurate, or even adequate, devices for communicating feelings and emotions. Feelings and emotions are infinitely more complex (and infinitely more corny than they are complex), but they are still a product of differences. -- Matt Kozusko mkozusko@parallel.park.uga.edu