> Perhaps you dismiss Freud prematurely. I've only time on my hands to answer this bit, perhaps later I'll have time for futher keyboard banging. The story of Freud is the story of a man who climbed up a very high hill. Perhaps no one had been to such a height before, and seen what lay on the other side. He came back with stories of the glorious and interesting land that he had seen. But though he had observed some very profound things, he did so from a great distance. To expect a full account from Freud, or the roots to a full account of mind, is to ask too much from one person. I guess this is meant as a warning that one should not take Freud's word as Truth but should instead make their own expeditions into this strange landscape. The going is rough, the maps still filled with inscriptions that read "Here be dragons," but the richness that is being discovered far surpasses what Freud could have imagined. (enough of that horrid metaphor) So ..... I don't mean to dismiss Freud, but perhaps to thank him for his early contributions and move onward to the many other fascinating people who have things every bit as interesting to say. S. .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. : Steven Gabriel -- sgabriel@willamette.edu : '-'-'-'-'-'-'-'-'-'-'-'-'-'-'-'-'-'-'-'-'-'-'-'-'