Bruce, I think Bogan is very much in tune with ideas I was trying to express that I learned from "The Cultural Improtance of Art" by Susanne K. Langer in her book, _PHilosophical Sketches_. Or, today as I read and reread "The River of Rivers in Connecticut by Stevens and think his last line, "The river that flows nowhere, like the sea" is like language...but hey, it rained all day, will