In a message dated 10/20/99 7:16:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mkozusko@parallel.park.uga.edu writes: << Curiously, I think he likes it that way, and that's why Satan doesn't become a real chump until _Paradise Regained_. -- Amanuensis >> Gawd Matt, it is all very funny :) Satan became a Real Chump to me around the middle of Paradise Lost, when he decided that if HE couldn't be happy, NO ONE should be happy :) And we did go on in our discussion to say pretty much what you just said...we're using a fallen language (as was Milton) to describe an unfallen state. One post-goodnevil-opposition knowlege :) Jim