In a message dated 10/21/99 11:25:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mkozusko@parallel.park.uga.edu writes: << Even beyond this, though, there's an important distinction between what Ss calls "linguistic signs" and other "signs," like flags on ships (_Cors_, part I). But maybe it's all for naught at this point... -- Matt Kozusko >> It probably is, but if it helps you understand where I'm coming from... I read Saussere's _Course in General Linguistics_ only to understand what Derrida was Griping about in _Of Grammatology_. From there I've read bits and pieces of Levi-Strauss (not the jeans :) ), and some other odds and ends in semiology. (As an aside, the most disturbing thing about Derrida is that he can write about Tristes Tropiques and keep a straight face :) ). I used the word "referent" and I don't think Saussere did...I must have picked it up from somewhere else...I've also done some reading in Linguistics as it relates to Biblical hermeneutics. ANYWAYS, needless to say, the terminology used by people talking linguistics isn't uniform, and my use of the terms is pretty hodge-podge as a result. When I was thinking of visual icons as a sign I was thinking more in terms of Levi-Strauss than Saussere, and that's off the top of my head :) Jim