In a message dated 10/23/99 7:05:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rbowman@indigo.ie writes: << '... the most interesting "individuals" (and the most powerful) seem to have been the least selfish...at least through most of human history ...' Oh yes, Jim? Please go on. Scottie B. >> Ok, tell ya what. I have a quote in mind that will illustrate my point -- if I can find it, I will post it. But it's along the lines of the fact that, generally, a selfish person doesn't have a whole lot of room in his life for anyone else. They tend to be megalomaniacs. That's not to say that there haven't been terribly Influential selfish people. Hitler comes to mind. Try conversing with these people, though, and you'll get more of the feeling of what I'm talking about. If you don't believe me, read Mein Kampf :) Jim