I know what you mean, Lauren, about the difficulty of "jumping in" to these conversations which don't seem to have much to do with Salinger anyhow. It's Nice to allow digressions when people are getting all fired up, but it's even Nicer when one can follow the thread and it's relevance to our common interest on this group, Salinger. How about this... _____ Someone said to me, "There are plenty of fish in the sea." But I don't want to live in the sea. _____ Are Salinger's characters always "fish out of water" ? What do we Bananafishers think? Seymour was contemplating taking the plunge, Teddy watched the orange peel on the seas and someone screamed over the empty pool, Boo Boo and Lionel stays afloat in the dinghy but that key-ring of Seymour's sunk. But Zooey was in his element in a bathtub, with his knees as little islands.