In a message dated 9/13/99 8:46:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, verona_beach@hotpop.com writes: << I don't make speculations rashly. This is no exception. Camille >> Yeah, I should have quoted your post. Ok, it's probably safe to say that Salinger didn't intend for Holden to be seen as schizophrenic, but really it has about the same textual support as the other positions you mentioned -- religious fanatic, gay, or sexually abused. I could probably argue Holden schizo better than, say, Holden religious fanatic, at any rate. I don't see Holden running around thumping people over the head with various sacred texts, but I do see that weird thing with his hair going on (two different colors), and I see him under some kind of professional care. In other words, it's not crazy to think Holden was crazy, although I don't really buy that myself. So I still don't really see the point, unless you want to completely limit the meaning of Catcher to Salinger's stated intent. <<What I'm trying to say is that the conditions have slowly changed in which characters like Holden and DDS have been allowed to form themselves in his mind - the types of characters he came up with in his early career differ quite greatly in their outlook and basic type from his later fiction. Camille>> Yeah, I could see that, but how does Hapworth fit into this? Jim