Jim -- I'm sorry, but I didn't get your post at all. Were you saying that it is necessarily "leftist" to support freedom of expression? No. Listen, I don't want to get into politics here or elsewhere any more than you do. Your last post gave me the impression that we couldn't have a reasonable discussion about morality either (not your fault, I mean, we just wouldn't agree). But that post also gave me the impression that that was something you just wanted to say, "seeming" to me to come from some sort of frustration with the uplifting of the left by the art/culture world to the absolute detriment of the right; frustration with the attitude that the right had no redeemable qualities in post-liberalized society; frustration at polarization. That is just the impression I got and I have no reason to criticize that. BUT, as that has nothing whatsoever to do with my thoughts concerning Lolita (I am neither right nor left nor center) I will respectfully withdraw from this particular discussion until your chain has run its course. (As usual, I meant no condescension.) (But just for the record, the same problem DOES NOT exist on the left as on the right, that is just not true -- but it is also not my point. I was not stressing the conservatism of the right, but specifically the religious righteousness of that faction, which happens to sit on the right. I am very sick & tired of those creeps waving their bibles, the most dangerous book in the world, kerosene for ignorant mongoloids everywhere, around telling me what's right & what's wrong. And despite all appearances to the contrary, I was not suggesting that everyone who reads the bible is an ignorant mongoloid.) rick