>I understand this objection. Still, I urge the dark side. C'mon >over. It's fun here. Anything goes. I'm not quite willing to >relinquish "generates," even when it comes to tactile perception. I >don't think we can really experience tactile stimulation without >assigning or attaching a significance to it. It seems to me that seething pain, whether I have previously experienced it and named it, is still unpleasant. Get out of your head. Haven't you ever felt or experienced something new and been completely thrown by it until you figure out what it was? The next time you feel it, you immediately recognize it. But the first time, before it settles in and becomes entangled with memory and association, it is still there. Simply as an experience. >Maybe the same for >animals, too. They have ears; they can hear. This i don't know enough about. Animals have memories, so I assume they symbolic capacity at the base level to which you refer. But where does instinct begin and end? I don't know. You got me. >Even beyond this, though, there's an important distinction between >what Ss calls "linguistic signs" and other "signs," like flags on >ships (_Cors_, part I). But maybe it's all for naught at this >point... Yes, you've made us all mad now. We don't want to play with you anymore. 8) Elizabeth